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32bit RISC OS Six announced

Posted by Andrew Duffell on 15:39, 18/10/2006 | , , ,
 
ROLRISCOS Ltd have today announced RISC OS Six on the Glasgow leg of their northern road show.
 
RISC OS Six is built from a completely 26 bit / 32 bit neutral source, and the move away from the RISC OS 4 brand is because "RISC OS 4 has always been linked with 26 bit computers". The name RISC OS Six is also said to have been chosen due to links with Advantage Six. ROL "hope that everyone will soon see the advantages of RISC OS 6."
 
A preview version will soon be available for as a softload for existing Select subscribers, and also for those who last subscribed to the Select scheme after May 31st 2004.
 
Link: RISC OS Six
 
  32bit RISC OS Six announced
  moss (16:14 18/10/2006)
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John Hoare Message #94244, posted by moss at 16:14, 18/10/2006

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And so the tedious leap-frogging of version numbers goes on. Hooray. Why didn't they just call it RISC OS 12 and get a really good head-start?
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Andrew Duffell Message #94245, posted by ad at 16:20, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94244
ad

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Yeh, the version numbers are pretty meaningless now. I think that's why a lot of other OSs habe gone for names.
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VinceH Message #94246, posted by VincceH at 16:35, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94245
VincceH
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Perhaps they should have called it RISC OS 95 :-p
 
But seriously, if this means a single version of RISC OS running on all current machines (subject to people upgrading to it, obviously) then I see it as a very welcome move, and well done to ROL.
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John Hoare Message #94247, posted by moss at 16:40, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94246

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I must admit - if this makes it to the Iyonix, I'll be very, very happy.
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Chris Message #94248, posted by Chris at 18:08, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94247
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Moss:
As for version numbers, it's perfectly simple. RISC OS Six(6) is an updating of RISC OS 4.02, Select (schemes 1,2 and 3), or Adjust32 (RISC OS 4.42), or Adjust26 (4.39), which is the ROM version of Select 3 (iteration 4, I think) running on Micos, RiscStations, RiscPCs and A7000/+, but not Select 4, which is different and will only be released on some 26-bit computers, and which is also different to RISC OS 5.x, which only runs on Iyonixen.
Crystal clear. I wonder my more companies don't take lessons from RISC OS firms on branding?
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Jeffrey Lee Message #94249, posted by Phlamethrower at 18:46, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94248
PhlamethrowerHot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot stuff

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I just hope they release version 6.66
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Peter Howkins Message #94250, posted by flibble at 19:04, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94249
flibble

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Be the first with RISC OS 7
 
OSVersion - http://www.marutan.net/arcsite/down.php
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fwibbler Message #94251, posted by fwibbler at 19:18, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94250
fwibbler

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Yeah, they really should've just given it a name (Thunderbird, Lightning, Storm, Bollocks etc...) rather than a numbering system guaranteed to confuse anyone without a University degree.
 
Has anyone worked out how much it costs to upgrade from OS4 to this latest version?
 
Cheers!
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VinceH Message #94252, posted by VincceH at 21:06, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94251
VincceH
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"Has anyone worked out how much it costs to upgrade from OS4 to this latest version?"
 
Well, according to http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/price.html new Select subs are £199
 
However, you should note that page talks only about the preview version of RO6, and not RO6 itself.
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John Hoare Message #94253, posted by moss at 22:44, 18/10/2006, in reply to message #94252

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I've just read the answer to "Is there going to be a RISC OS Six version for the Iyonix?" on the RISC OS 6 FAQ (http://select.riscos.com/RISCOS6/faq.html).
 
And I utterly give up on RISC OS. I mean, for good. The sentence "The facts are however that our resources are limited, and priority has been given to working with partners who actively want RISC OS Select features on their products" has finally pushed me over the edge.
 
I don't care whose fault it is. It could be ROL's. It could be Castle's. More than likely, it's both. But the fact that the two main players in RISC OS can't work together for the good of the platform is pathetic. I was told at Guildford a couple of years ago by ROL and Castle that they had worked out their differences. Since then, there's been *nothing* - and neither company have explained why they went back on the deal, leaving us all in the dark.
 
I just can't stand it any more.
 
Now, who wants to buy a top-range Iyonix Panther for £500? I'm serious.
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Paul Stewart Message #94254, posted by sa110_mk at 06:58, 19/10/2006, in reply to message #94253
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As for RO version numbers.
 
I think ROL should have stuck with RO Adjust. Rather that using RO6, they should have just used RO Adjust 2.
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Chris Message #94255, posted by Chris at 09:26, 19/10/2006, in reply to message #94254
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Moss: You're dead right. The *one* thing that Castle and ROL could have done to generate fresh confidence in the market, and for months they've been incapable of it. It makes me very angry: all that duplication in 32-bitting, updating two SCLs, two HALs, Unicode on the Iyonix only, other stuff on Select only... it's infuriating. Instead, we could have had a sensible plan for integration, some cooperation, and - who knows? - more actual features. I don't blame you at all for bailing out - it's occured to me too. Why don't ROL and Castle get it? They're alienating the people that have stuck with RISC OS through thick and thin. And instead of hammering out their differences, they play leapfrog with version numbers. Pathetic.
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fwibbler Message #94256, posted by fwibbler at 10:00, 19/10/2006, in reply to message #94255
fwibbler

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Unfortunately I don't think the situation will change (/really/ change) until one of the companies gives up and closes. By which time it will be even further too late to matter.
Cheers!
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Simon Challands Message #94257, posted by SimonC at 11:19, 19/10/2006, in reply to message #94256
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Right on, Commander!

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More of this utterly ludicrous ROL vs Castle stuff. I fully sympathise with everyone who is getting sick of it. Castle carry on in their own little world, and ROL act like a bunch of petulant children who seem to forget that ultimately it's not Castle of AD6 or whoever are going to be using the computers, but everyone else they could sell it to.
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Both of them should be locked in a room together until they've grown up a bit and decided that they want a future.
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fwibbler Message #94258, posted by fwibbler at 17:54, 19/10/2006, in reply to message #94257
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They would probably both die of starvation then!
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Phil Mellor Message #94259, posted by monkeyson2 at 13:22, 20/10/2006, in reply to message #94258
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A nice long article about it on the INQ:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35242
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Andrew Message #94260, posted by andrew at 12:29, 21/10/2006, in reply to message #94259
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But Castle have now made RO open source haven't they? So how much chance of working together now? Surely they'll be making open source large parts of what ROL have worked from?
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David Boddie Message #94261, posted by davidb at 17:02, 22/10/2006, in reply to message #94260
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But Castle have now made RO open source haven't they?
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Not quite, Andrew. From RISC OS Open's very own FAQ:
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"From that definition, it is clear that the shared source RISC OS project is not open source for the simple reason that it makes a distinction between people who want to use or access the RISC OS sources for non-commercial purposes and those who want to use them for commercial purposes."
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[http://www.riscosopen.org/ss_faq.html#Is this Open Source]
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Now, a lot of desperate/hopeful people think that the license isn't really a problem, and it's just good news all round. Another (possibly overlapping) group of people think that this news about RISC OS 6 is splendid, and that it's business as usual.
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It's all wonderfully entertaining for those of us who no longer depend on RISC OS to get our work done, though really quite sad when you consider how far RISC OS has fallen over the last ten years or so.
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mark stephens Message #94262, posted by markee at 20:38, 22/10/2006, in reply to message #94261
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And a lot of cynical people knock it.....
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There is no compulsion to use RISCOS and no requirment to us eit exclusively (the lack of a laptop and multimedia software is a big problem).
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Maybe it will come to nothing, but its worth a try. Castle paid money for RISCOS and they would not be doing it if they did not believe it was not a sound commercial strategy.
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Andrew Message #94263, posted by andrew at 09:57, 23/10/2006, in reply to message #94262
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"Now, a lot of desperate/hopeful people think that the license isn't really a problem, and it's just good news all round. Another (possibly overlapping) group of people think that this news about RISC OS 6 is splendid, and that it's business as usual."
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Sounds like the road to nowhere to me. Not a very good starting place if you feel sad about the platform, DavidB.
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Gazc Message #94264, posted by gazc at 10:33, 2/11/2006, in reply to message #94263
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I think its quite good that ROL have released the next version as RISCOS 6. For me the version itself represents the next step up for RISCOS; I mean what does the name 'Tiger' or 'Leopard' mean to you for example?
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John Hoare Message #94265, posted by moss at 12:11, 2/11/2006, in reply to message #94264

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> I mean what does the name 'Tiger' or 'Leopard' mean to you for example?
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I prefer those names. They're rather more interesting than just a number. The same reason why I liked 'Phoebe'.
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Chris Message #94266, posted by Chris at 17:20, 2/11/2006, in reply to message #94265
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Whether ROL call their OS by a name or a number, they *still* haven't actually released anything to subscribers in months. This is the biggest irritant. Followed closely by the irrational labelling of the various products they have or plan to have, which is currently a mess of names (Select, Adjust, Adjust32) and version numbers. Plus the fact that RO6 is really all about leapfrogging Castle, not about anything radical in terms of OS features, etc.
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Jason Tribbeck Message #94267, posted by tribbles at 22:11, 24/11/2006, in reply to message #94266
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And it's now available for Select users (quote from CSAA):
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RISC OS 6 Preview now available from RISCOS Ltd
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RISCOS Ltd are pleased to announce the immediate availability of RISC OS 6
Preview for Select subscribers.
&nbsp;
All Select subscribers who have renewed their subscription since the
release of Select3i4 (30th May 2004) may download the preview version from
the Select website now.
&nbsp;
Members who have kept their subscription up to date or who join at the
Birmingham ARM Club show this Saturday (25th November) may collect a RISC
OS 6 Preview CD at the event, subject to stock.
&nbsp;
The RISC OS 6 Preview release gives RiscPC, A7000 and VirtualRPC ADJ users
an opportunity to experience recent developments within RISC OS through the
Select scheme.
&nbsp;
Further details of RISC OS 6 and the Select scheme, including download
details for RISC OS 6 Select 4 Preview can be found at
http://www.riscos6.com/ or via http://select.riscos.com/
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Rob Kendrick Message #94268, posted by nunfetishist at 23:18, 25/11/2006, in reply to message #94267
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Only noticable user-facing change in RISC OS 6 since the last Select release: The switcher icon now has a "6" inside it.
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