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dave simpson |
Message #114268, posted by dsimpson at 11:17, 4/5/2010 |
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I have an unused risc os 3.7 machine and need to turn into a os 3.5 machine..I have the os 3.5 chips..any ideas as just swapping the os does not work
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Rob Kendrick |
Message #114269, posted by nunfetishist at 11:55, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114268 |
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"does not work" ? It should work just fine, assuming the RiscPC is old enough and doesn't have a 710 or StrongARM CPU. You may need to change the boot structure, but it should still turn on and boot. |
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dave simpson |
Message #114270, posted by dsimpson at 12:09, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114269 |
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Thanks for that..that would explain as it does have a StrongARM CPU...anything I can do?
Thanks anyway |
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Jason Togneri |
Message #114271, posted by filecore at 12:15, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114270 |
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3.5 -> supports ARM610 and below, but not StrongARM
3.6 -> supports ARM710 and below, but not StrongARM
3.7 -> supports StrongARM and below
anything I can do? Get a non-StrongARM processor?
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dave simpson |
Message #114272, posted by dsimpson at 12:18, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114271 |
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excellent..thanks for that
will try to get a ARM610
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Trevor Johnson |
Message #114273, posted by trevj at 12:31, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114272 |
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will try to get a ARM610 Acorn Risc PC 610 Processor Card on ebay (not my auction, ends tomorrow). |
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Jeffrey Lee |
Message #114274, posted by Phlamethrower at 12:33, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114272 |
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Also be aware that OS 3.5 doesn't contain !Edit, !Paint, etc. in ROM, so you'll need a copy of the OS 3.5 disc image.
http://acorn.riscos.com/acornftp.htm
If the machine is running OK with 3.7 then it might be easiest to extract a copy of the disc image somewhere on the machine, swap the ROMs & CPU, boot the machine, then rename/move the folders around so the 3.5 boot sequence/disc image gets used the next time you boot (I believe the 3.7 disc image will work fine with 3.5 - apart from the lack of ROM apps - but the 3.5 image won't work with 3.7, so you can't downgrade the disc image before swapping the OS/CPU). Depending on how authentic you want your 3.5 machine to be you might be able to get by with just copying the apps from the Apps folder of the 3.5 disc image (assuming that's where they're stored - I'm not sure myself)
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dave simpson |
Message #114275, posted by dsimpson at 12:41, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114274 |
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thanks for that.. i dont suppose anyone wants to swap a StrongARM (with dip switches) for an ARM610..
I have dedicated laser software that only runs on the 3.5os....I dont have the time or inclanation to change over to os3.7 |
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dave simpson |
Message #114276, posted by dsimpson at 12:45, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114273 |
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cheers..just bidded |
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Jason Togneri |
Message #114277, posted by filecore at 13:47, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114275 |
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I dont suppose anyone wants to swap a StrongARM (with dip switches) for an ARM610 Oh, how many times we've heard quite the opposite. This is very odd. |
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dave simpson |
Message #114278, posted by dsimpson at 14:47, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114277 |
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it may seem odd to you. But my software will only run on os 3.5.... anyhow got the info I need and will get a ARM610 and then all sorted with a machine that I can sell for 4K not £40 on ebay..!! |
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Trevor Johnson |
Message #114280, posted by trevj at 15:05, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114278 |
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...all sorted with a machine that I can sell for 4K not £40 on ebay..!! Does your software have on-screen previews? If so, you must be curious about what the current port of RISC OS to new hardware would enable you to offer to clients, without lugging along the full laser kit. A BeagleBoard might not look as professional as a RiscPC but it's a lot smaller! I also understand that RISC OS Open appreciate donations! |
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Rob Kendrick |
Message #114282, posted by nunfetishist at 15:49, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114278 |
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it may seem odd to you. But my software will only run on os 3.5. Boggle. I can only start to imagine why this is. One assumes you've actually tried it on 3.6 or 3.7, or checked there's no later version of the software? |
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dave simpson |
Message #114283, posted by dsimpson at 16:14, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114282 |
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one assumes correctly. As I mentioned you lot have been most helpful. The reasons why this software will not run on 3.7 are far too complicated to discuss here. I just needed an option for this particular unit as I didnt want to just throw away. We use www.pangolin.com software now.
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Andrew Rawnsley |
Message #114286, posted by arawnsley at 17:25, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114283 |
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If you don't get anywhere, we'd be happy to take you up on the Arm610 for SA offer, and throw in some OS 3.50 chips if I can find any. Just so you have another option. |
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Martin Bazley |
Message #114288, posted by swirlythingy at 18:13, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114278 |
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it may seem odd to you. But my software will only run on os 3.5.... anyhow got the info I need and will get a ARM610 and then all sorted with a machine that I can sell for 4K not £40 on ebay..!! Don't you think it's more likely, given what Jason said above, and given that you said that 'swapping the OS does not work', that it is actually incompatible with your StrongARM and not with your OS? Especially as there were no backwards-incompatible changes in OS3.7 that I know of. |
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dave simpson |
Message #114290, posted by dsimpson at 18:22, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114288 |
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thats why I am getting an ARM610 as suggested earlier |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #114292, posted by andypoole at 19:10, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114282 |
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it may seem odd to you. But my software will only run on os 3.5. Boggle. I can only start to imagine why this is. One assumes you've actually tried it on 3.6 or 3.7, or checked there's no later version of the software?
^this. IIRC there's very little difference between 3.5 and 3.6 other than the support for the newer processors and built in apps. I could be wrong on that, though. But even still, it's got to be either some really obscure or poorly written software that works on 3.5 and not 3.6.
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dave simpson |
Message #114293, posted by dsimpson at 19:14, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114292 |
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Andrew.. dont get involved..this subject should be closed. I have the answers I need.
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Andrew Poole |
Message #114297, posted by andypoole at 22:25, 4/5/2010, in reply to message #114293 |
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Andrew.. dont get involved..this subject should be closed. I have the answers I need.
Bye all Nice to see the RO community being as nice as always 
What is this, csa.misc?
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James Lampard |
Message #114302, posted by Lampi at 05:03, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114282 |
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it may seem odd to you. But my software will only run on os 3.5. Boggle. I can only start to imagine why this is. One assumes you've actually tried it on 3.6 or 3.7, or checked there's no later version of the software?
Most likely is that this program just isn't compatible with StrongARM. |
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Jason Togneri |
Message #114303, posted by filecore at 07:30, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114302 |
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it may seem odd to you. But my software will only run on os 3.5. Boggle. I can only start to imagine why this is. One assumes you've actually tried it on 3.6 or 3.7, or checked there's no later version of the software?
Most likely is that this program just isn't compatible with StrongARM.
I agree that's the most probable, in which case, downgrading a RO3.7 machine to an older ARM would work, but an actual ROM downgrade wouldn't be necessary. The only other possibility is that it ties directly into the CPU in some bizarre way, but I don't see that happening here. |
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