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The Icon Bar: General: Acorn Archimedes is 25 years old [El Reg]
 
  Acorn Archimedes is 25 years old [El Reg]
  filecore (06:18 1/6/2012)
  filecore (06:28 1/6/2012)
    pwx (07:32 1/6/2012)
    diodesign (10:28 1/6/2012)
      filecore (10:58 1/6/2012)
        diodesign (11:18 1/6/2012)
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Jason Togneri Message #120517, posted by filecore at 06:18, 1/6/2012

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The Register has a four-page article entitled Acorn Archimedes is 25 years old, published today smile
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Jason Togneri Message #120518, posted by filecore at 06:28, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120517

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I had a quick skim of the article and already I see "Risc", "RiscOS", "Rom",, mouse buttons Select, Menu and... Alter, some confusion about the difference between Lander and Zarch, and the strange idea that the ship in that was triangular (it was non-symmetrically pentagonal).

Oh, and this gem: "Archimedes morphed into the Risc PC line, a series of ARM-based boxes designed to run Windows on a co-processor, and presented in a Risc OS window." And then there's the fact that he says it stopped with the death of Acorn, without mentioning anything about ROL, Castle, the Iyonix, the Omega, or any other projects.
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Philip Webster Message #120519, posted by pwx at 07:32, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120518
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Also the article incorrectly states that the ARM2 ran at 4MHz. It ran at 8MHz.
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Chris Williams Message #120521, posted by diodesign at 10:28, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120518
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It's Reg Hardware's style to down-cap acronyms you pronounce rather than spell out: eg: 'Risc OS' versus 'IBM'. I'll look into the others.

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Jason Togneri Message #120522, posted by filecore at 10:58, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120521

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It's Reg Hardware's style to down-cap acronyms you pronounce rather than spell out: eg: 'Risc OS' versus 'IBM'.
So that would be Arm2 CPU, then?
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Chris Williams Message #120523, posted by diodesign at 11:18, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120522
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So that would be Arm2 CPU, then?
ARM is a recognised trademark in the Reg Hardware style guide. See Tony's reply to your comment on the article big smile

C.
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Jason Togneri Message #120524, posted by filecore at 11:23, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120523

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So that would be Arm2 CPU, then?
ARM is a recognised trademark
So... "RISC OS" isn't a registered trademark, as far as they're concerned?
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Peter Howkins Message #120525, posted by flibble at 12:20, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120524
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So... "RISC OS" isn't a registered trademark, as far as they're concerned?
Or as far the Intellectual Property Office is concerned either.
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Martin Bazley Message #120526, posted by swirlythingy at 14:28, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120523

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See Tony's reply to your comment on the article smile
That comment proves that he's read Jason's comment, and point-blank refused to correct any of the more serious factual errors. You're not telling me it's part of the Register style guide to, say, replace "Alter" with "Adjust", or refer to the RiscPC as a Windows machine, are you? (Although I'm fully prepared to accept that publishing brazen inaccuracies is part of the style of El Reg...)
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Chris Evans Message #120527, posted by CJE at 15:39, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120526
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'Select Menu Alter' seems to be in reference to Xerox. I can't find anything to confirm or deny what Xerox called the buttons.
I was impressed that I didn't spot any significant errors on the first page, but then it went downhill quickly.
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Jason Togneri Message #120528, posted by filecore at 15:44, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120527

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'Select Menu Alter' seems to be in reference to Xerox.
Yeah, I got that they were saying that Acorn copied Xerox' "Select, Menu, Alter" approach, but at no point did they clarify that Acorn didn't use this verbatim (Alter == Adjust). In the context of later RISC OS history this is also important, because it's the whole reason why the second generation of the Select scheme was called the Adjust scheme. "Select" works on its own but "Adjust" is something of an inside joke - you only get it if you know about the mouse button schema.
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Martin Bazley Message #120529, posted by swirlythingy at 15:58, 1/6/2012, in reply to message #120528

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In the context of later RISC OS history this is also important, because it's the whole reason why the second generation of the Select scheme was called the Adjust scheme.
If we're going to be that picky about facts, then "Select" refers to the subscription scheme for softloadable ROM images (or not, as the case has recently been), and "Adjust" refers to physical ROMs with Select images burned onto them. There have been only two releases of Adjust, both now rather ancient, containing versions of Select selected for "stability".
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Colin Cartmell-Browne Message #120532, posted by Col at 16:00, 2/6/2012, in reply to message #120517
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This reminded me- I'm sure that I read some time ago someone said they were researching the history of Acorn as part of a PhD thesis at Manchester University. Did this ever happen? Or am I going mad? (yes I know that these are not mutually exclusive and whether it happened or not does not testify to my sanity)
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Andrew Rawnsley Message #120533, posted by arawnsley at 10:25, 3/6/2012, in reply to message #120532
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I think you may be referring to Richard Hallas. AFAIK after doing a lot of work, certain "highly regarded" wealthy, involved 3rd parties refused to pony up the agreed research funds. I believe he did a lot of groundwork and planning, but was ultimately left high-and-dry, and needless to say, disappointed.
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Philip Webster Message #120534, posted by pwx at 11:09, 6/6/2012, in reply to message #120533
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I think you may be referring to Richard Hallas. AFAIK after doing a lot of work, certain "highly regarded" wealthy, involved 3rd parties refused to pony up the agreed research funds. I believe he did a lot of groundwork and planning, but was ultimately left high-and-dry, and needless to say, disappointed.
This [1] article/interview suggests that Hermann Hauser agreed to put up *some* funding, but not all of it. You mention 'parties' in plural - I wonder who else had an interesting in funding the PhD? Did HH not cough up the money? Or was it the implied others who let Richard Hallas down?

[1] http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1696.html
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John Hoare Message #120535, posted by moss at 14:17, 6/6/2012, in reply to message #120533

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I think you may be referring to Richard Hallas. AFAIK after doing a lot of work, certain "highly regarded" wealthy, involved 3rd parties refused to pony up the agreed research funds. I believe he did a lot of groundwork and planning, but was ultimately left high-and-dry, and needless to say, disappointed.
If I had the money, I'd stump up the cash myself.
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David Boddie Message #120536, posted by davidb at 14:20, 6/6/2012, in reply to message #120533
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If it was only funding for a book that was required then a model like Kickstarter might be useful, but it might be pushing it a bit to suggest funding a PhD in that way. wink
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Paul Dunning Message #120537, posted by hairydalek at 21:58, 6/6/2012, in reply to message #120517
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Which means that 25 years ago, I drove to St Albans and collected my Archimedes A305 from Beebug in their Dolphin Yard premises. Blimey.
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