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The Icon Bar: General: A3010 networking
 
  A3010 networking
  pwx (13:51 19/3/2013)
  filecore (14:24 19/3/2013)
  Tin Hat (15:35 19/3/2013)
    sirbod (19:57 19/3/2013)
      Tin Hat (23:48 19/3/2013)
  CJE (11:45 20/3/2013)
  filecore (13:01 20/3/2013)
    CJE (11:38 22/3/2013)
      flibble (16:20 22/3/2013)
        CJE (11:44 25/3/2013)
    flibble (16:23 22/3/2013)
      davehigton (23:01 22/3/2013)
        gmtipping (15:12 9/8/2013)
  bhtooefr (11:00 28/3/2013)
    sirbod (17:07 28/3/2013)
      bhtooefr (20:11 28/3/2013)
      PaulV (21:12 28/3/2013)
 
Philip Webster Message #122081, posted by pwx at 13:51, 19/3/2013
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Hi,
I have an A3010 with a Simtec 8-bit IDE podule taking up the single expansion slot. I realise that this leaves almsot no scope for further expansion, but I'd be interested in adding some sort of (Ethernet) network capability to allow Access shared drives from my RiscPC.

What are my options? Is there some way of adapting existing ports to work as a network interface?

I've heard of an 'EtherLAN 200', but aside from a blurry photo and a manual scan there doesn't seem to be much information on the Web that explains what it is, how it's fitted, or where I can buy one.

Phil
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Jason Togneri Message #122083, posted by filecore at 14:24, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122081

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Find a null modem cable and do some serial networking.
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Patric Aristide Message #122085, posted by Tin Hat at 15:35, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122081
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The EtherLan card I bought for my A4000 looks like this: http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Network/Pics/I3_EtherLAN200.html
Mine's a 10baseT version however and fits the network slot underneath the minipodule space. Cost ~40 quid used from CJE three years ago and works a treat. Actually it's the single most useful upgrade I ever bought for the Arc.
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Jon Abbott Message #122091, posted by sirbod at 19:57, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122085
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CJE supplied me with an EtherLAN 200, along with a 10baseT MAU.

A word of caution though, the card only supports 10baseT and not 10baseTx, which may cause problems connecting with some hub/switches.

See my thread on the issue.
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Patric Aristide Message #122093, posted by Tin Hat at 23:48, 19/3/2013, in reply to message #122091
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Mmh never had that problem with my NetGear router: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_mismatch

Sounds like a good idea though to check settings or if your hardware doesn't support it at all.
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Chris Evans Message #122094, posted by CJE at 11:45, 20/3/2013, in reply to message #122081
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Hi,
I have an A3010 with a Simtec 8-bit IDE podule taking up the single expansion slot. I realise that this leaves almsot no scope for further expansion, but I'd be interested in adding some sort of (Ethernet) network capability to allow Access shared drives from my RiscPC.

What are my options? Is there some way of adapting existing ports to work as a network interface?

I've heard of an 'EtherLAN 200', but aside from a blurry photo and a manual scan there doesn't seem to be much information on the Web that explains what it is, how it's fitted, or where I can buy one.

Phil
Sadly the EtherLAN 200 uses a special network slot found only on an A3020 or an A4000.

The A3010 has Joystick sockets where the A3020 and A4000 have their network socket.

You could replace the Simtec mini Podule with an HCCS Ultimate and suitable interfaces. I think we have base + IDE in stock but I don't think we have ethernet
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Jason Togneri Message #122095, posted by filecore at 13:01, 20/3/2013, in reply to message #122081

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Is there some way of adapting existing ports to work as a network interface?
Find a null modem cable and do some serial networking.
http://www.serial-networking.fsnet.co.uk/require.htm
http://www.mjpye.org.uk/networking/?p=csan#B.2.
http://www.riscos.org/csafaq/part2.html#2_7

Sure, it's not going to give you the world's fastest transfer rates, but if you're using an A3010 then I suspect you're not transferring files of more than a few hundred kb in most cases. Plus, it's practically free big smile
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Chris Evans Message #122101, posted by CJE at 11:38, 22/3/2013, in reply to message #122095
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Using a Zerilink cable (Which we have in stock) might be the fastest!
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Peter Howkins Message #122102, posted by flibble at 16:20, 22/3/2013, in reply to message #122101
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Using a Zerilink cable (Which we have in stock) might be the fastest!
Does Zerilink do IP style networking? I think it is just point to point file transfer, which is not really an Ethernet replacement.
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Peter Howkins Message #122103, posted by flibble at 16:23, 22/3/2013, in reply to message #122095
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Is there some way of adapting existing ports to work as a network interface?
Find a null modem cable and do some serial networking.
http://www.serial-networking.fsnet.co.uk/require.htm
http://www.mjpye.org.uk/networking/?p=csan#B.2.
http://www.riscos.org/csafaq/part2.html#2_7

Sure, it's not going to give you the world's fastest transfer rates, but if you're using an A3010 then I suspect you're not transferring files of more than a few hundred kb in most cases. Plus, it's practically free smile
From memory there's some issues trying to use the Acorn Access disc sharing across PPP on serial (there was some magic SWI that was supposed to help) but I think I ended up using FTP to transfer files instead.
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Dave Higton Message #122104, posted by davehigton at 23:01, 22/3/2013, in reply to message #122103
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I've got two A3010 on the LAN here. There is two-way communication between them, the Iyonix, the BeagleBoards and the Raspberry Pi.

Would it be viable for you to fit an Ethernet board /instead/ /of/ the HDD, and access an HDD elsewhere on your LAN instead?
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Chris Evans Message #122122, posted by CJE at 11:44, 25/3/2013, in reply to message #122102
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Using a Zerilink cable (Which we have in stock) might be the fastest!
Does Zerilink do IP style networking? I think it is just point to point file transfer, which is not really an Ethernet replacement.
I think you are correct on all points.

I'm pretty sure you will have to compromise on your your requirements :-(
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Eric Rucker Message #122156, posted by bhtooefr at 11:00, 28/3/2013, in reply to message #122081
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Other than using PPP or SLIP over RS-232, there is, to the best of my knowledge, no way to have mass storage and IP networking in an A3010 at the same time.

The A3020 has both on-board IDE and a dedicated network slot suitable for the EtherLAN 200, meaning you can have IDE, ethernet, and still have a mini-podule slot available for something else. Or, IDE, ethernet, and econet, if you use the mini-podule slot for ethernet. However, no A3020s were made with the mezzanine board, meaning you can't do an ARM3 upgrade to an A3020, whereas you can do it to early A3010s.

The other option is going back to an A3000 - bigger system, and you lose high density floppy support (as well as a couple other minor things) and RAM drops to 8 MHz (a bit of overclocking can bring that back up to 12 MHz), but you gain easy support for an ARM3 upgrade, and get a full podule slot. (I'd run the Simtec IDE podule as the mini-podule, and hang the ethernet interface off the external full podule slot - that way, you can still use the machine without the ethernet interface hanging off the back of the machine.)

And then there's always the full-size machines, the best bet of those is probably the A5000, factory ARM3, PC-style I/O like the A3010/A3020 (which comes with high density floppy support), integrated IDE, and real podules.
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Jon Abbott Message #122159, posted by sirbod at 17:07, 28/3/2013, in reply to message #122156
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You can pick up an A5000 for less than £20, although expect to be ripped off for a NIC, which are around £70. Also expect issues with the CMOS, RAM lines and floppy drive due to battery damage, so check there is no damage beforehand.

The A4000 meanwhile is a lot quiter, smaller and the NIC's are around £50 - it's the same NIC as the A30x0.
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Eric Rucker Message #122163, posted by bhtooefr at 20:11, 28/3/2013, in reply to message #122159
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That said, the A4000 is gonna have all of the same limitations of the A3020, except for the fact that it can take 3.5" HDDs instead of 2.5".

The other advantage is the separate power supply that IIRC is either autoranging or easily moddable for 110 VAC, but I went with a step-up transformer to run an A3020 on US power - shipping costs made up the difference.

[Edited by bhtooefr at 20:13, 28/3/2013]
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Paul Vernon Message #122165, posted by PaulV at 21:12, 28/3/2013, in reply to message #122159
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Also expect issues with the CMOS, RAM lines and floppy drive due to battery damage, so check there is no damage beforehand.
I can testify to this. I got my A5000 for free in Feb last year as it was broken with extensive battery damage. I fixed up the CMOS issues cleaned up the board and it was fine until October when the floppy drive stopped responding correctly. I traced this to the peripheral and floppy controller IC holding the head direction signal high meaning it never leaves track 0.

Just last week, the RAM control lines failed! This seemed to have three points of failure, the IC, a capacitor and a track. Replacing the IC and the nearby electrolytic cap and using some wire wrap to repair the track damage fixed it again.

ATM, the only thing that's broken is the floppy but as I have a NIC in it, it's not the end of the world...

Paul
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Graham Tipping Message #122528, posted by gmtipping at 15:12, 9/8/2013, in reply to message #122104
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I have an A3010 with Ethernet card which I would like to get onto my LAN (using Share with a RiscPC and Raspberry Pi). What software/settings do you have on the A3010?

Any help would b appreciated.


I've got two A3010 on the LAN here. There is two-way communication between them, the Iyonix, the BeagleBoards and the Raspberry Pi.

Would it be viable for you to fit an Ethernet board /instead/ /of/ the HDD, and access an HDD elsewhere on your LAN instead?
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